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Why 407 Mail Trucks Have Caught Fire Since 2014

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The Grumman LLV has been the US Postal Service's humble steed for nearly 40 years- but there's a problem. America's mail truck is fraught with problems: from low gas mileage, horrible comfort, and the fact that it CATCHES ON FIRE!! So why hasn't America found a worthy replacement? Watch and find out.
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  1. Donut Media

    Donut Media

    23 päivää sitten

    Big shout out to my boy Taylor in Tacoma, the coolest Postman I know 👊

    • Dani Syx

      Dani Syx

      3 päivää sitten

      nhra didn't outlaw it but it doesn't have the safety equipment required for the times it runs. (the demon) lots of cars suffer this issue because everyone blows their wad on the car and not safety equipment that is CLEARLY outlined in their rules.

    • DitzyDoo


      5 päivää sitten

      @Bill Kerr unfortunately my Sister-In-Law drives one of these daily on her route. thankfully her garage took the time to mod the fleet. Just 2.5 years and she can hang-up her mail bag as it were.

    • Bill Kerr

      Bill Kerr

      5 päivää sitten

      I remember when this "new" long life postal truck was in the news. If you think back to US vehicle build quality in the early '80s it is easy to see why commentaries at the time were highly skeptical that a 20 year lifespan was realistic. As it turned out these trucks did last 20 years. Grumman was the right contractor for the job because at that time they were manufacturing durable delivery vans similar to the UPS/Fedex trucks we see today. For all I know they still do. Now let's jump ahead to 2009 when the trucks were scheduled to be replaced. Can you think of anything else that was going on back then? It has a name. I'll give you a minute. (HINT: it rhymes with "the great recession") So anyway the things needed to be replaced or at least seriously maintained but the part of government that writes checks had decided they no longer want to spend money on the post office and even actively worked to undermine postal service, as crazy as that sounds. Maybe it can finally get handled now and the current government can buy some new trucks, hopefully electric. And Ford has announced there will be an electric version of the transit van.

    • DitzyDoo


      5 päivää sitten

      The three rural delivery LLC here in Creston, California are contracted Nissans and Fords Transits.

    • Volvo 740 Ram

      Volvo 740 Ram

      9 päivää sitten

      Do up to speed on Ram 1500 please

  2. ian


    16 minuuttia sitten

    Who's here after they have new trucks

  3. Greg 612AB

    Greg 612AB

    33 minuuttia sitten

    The government is trying its best to prove to its citizens that it’s inefficient.

  4. Justin French

    Justin French

    Tunti sitten

    I want a Grumman llv, load its cargo space with a 1200hp v8, and make a drag llv

  5. Chris Benson

    Chris Benson

    Tunti sitten

    This show is like the Buzzfeed of car talk. Is this a show about cars for children?

  6. Corvus


    2 tuntia sitten

    How many of those exactly 666 dislikes do you think came from Satan himself?

  7. rickpaulos


    2 tuntia sitten

    9 mpg? Better than that Dodge Deamon.

  8. Terry Eck

    Terry Eck

    2 tuntia sitten

    You called it, Oshkosh got the contract.

  9. William Taylor

    William Taylor

    5 tuntia sitten

    Anyone here after the new unveiling?

  10. jsorgi44215


    5 tuntia sitten

    It was announced today that Oshkosh got the contract but ford is not part of the collab, no word why ford is out of the deal

  11. JoeyTheFoxxo


    6 tuntia sitten

    Gas is $2.16 over there? It’s like $2.79 here in NJ.



    6 tuntia sitten

    Man James it's just different 😅

  13. BuildingwithTrees


    6 tuntia sitten

    We can't use already produced rhd vans from 3rd world countries like: Japan, Australia, or England. Oshkosh got the contract btw. But gets 10 years to produce 50k vans.

  14. Peter Rabbit

    Peter Rabbit

    7 tuntia sitten

    Time for an update and maybe a B2B one day on the Oshkosh mail truck!

  15. Mark Nelson

    Mark Nelson

    8 tuntia sitten

    Naild the prediction that Oshkosh and Ford would win the contract, I was rooting for the underdog Workhorse...

    • jsorgi44215


      5 tuntia sitten

      Ford isn't part of the Oshkosh deal

  16. PA551ON


    10 tuntia sitten

    February 2021 Update: Karsan & Morgan Olson won the contract. The only real noticable change in the design is that it's all white now instead of white and black.

  17. R4M0N


    12 tuntia sitten

    Oshkosh just got awarded the contract

  18. Greely


    15 tuntia sitten

    I have returned to this video because Oshkosh was chosen as the LLV replacement

  19. Ty Dryzo

    Ty Dryzo

    16 tuntia sitten

    Oshkosh/Ford got the contract btw

  20. Heinrich Schmitz

    Heinrich Schmitz

    16 tuntia sitten

    I've been seeing those same mail vans ever since I was a baby back in 2006. I'm now 14 and I still see the vans lol. I thought they'd replace their mail vans with the European Mercedes vans that do almost every job in Europe.

  21. Dhruv Kumar

    Dhruv Kumar

    17 tuntia sitten

    $2.16 per gallon is too much? we are paying $5.26 per gallon in India.

  22. LoughZ


    18 tuntia sitten

    And Oshkosh is the winner!!

  23. Axel Cortez

    Axel Cortez

    18 tuntia sitten

    and the oshkosh won

  24. Jesus Jimenez

    Jesus Jimenez

    19 tuntia sitten

    Update: Oshkosh has won the contract. No word if Ford will be involved as of Feb. 2021

  25. 308HIT


    20 tuntia sitten

    Guy has no idea what he's talking about.

  26. Zarrex


    23 tuntia sitten

    New mail truck just got announced get hyped boys

  27. Johnny MacDonald

    Johnny MacDonald

    23 tuntia sitten

    And today February 23 2021 Oshkosh and ford won the contract.

  28. Average Joey

    Average Joey

    Päivä sitten

    It happened! Oshkosh won the contract.

  29. whitechapel6669


    Päivä sitten

    Oshkosh won the 10year contract

  30. dave cee

    dave cee

    Päivä sitten

    Actually they need to completely dismantle the postal service because it has become too political . We need to contract mail delivery service out to people that live here in our towns that we know . I remember years ago there were people we knew that had part time jobs using their own vehicles to deliver our mail , one of them was a township policeman another one was a lunch lady at our grade school .

  31. sabarjp


    Päivä sitten

    Oshkosh won the contract for the new USPS delivery vehicle as of the time of this comment.

  32. The Windfire

    The Windfire

    Päivä sitten

    And here is a reason why the USPS is in debt.

  33. TheKajunkat


    Päivä sitten

    The whole idea of the LLV was that it was supposed to be modular. the corrosion resistant aluminum bodies were designed to be removable and just placed on a new chassis as technology advanced. I guess the USPS forgot about that part.

  34. Snarky . Live

    Snarky . Live

    Päivä sitten

    S-10 pickups.

  35. Martin Cooper

    Martin Cooper

    Päivä sitten

    transit cos it can easliy be sold on and no one would know

  36. Flakjacket96


    Päivä sitten

    8:27 Didnt realize 0.29% of all the mail trucks can be considered "alot".

  37. Kevin Linville

    Kevin Linville

    Päivä sitten

    You mentioned the LandCruise & Land Rover evolved from the WWII Jeep. Would you consider looking into how this happened. I heard a story from an Automotive engineer. Not sure if this is accurate. He mentioned how the US sent start up teams to assist Japan in the Automotive manufacturing process. If haven't ever verified this. But it may be an interesting story.

  38. Collin Hope-Fasching

    Collin Hope-Fasching

    Päivä sitten

    $2.16 is cheap compared to here it's $2.89 or $3.06

  39. Sid 6.7

    Sid 6.7

    Päivä sitten

    Every one of those contestants are going to suck in the long run. Electric cars and hybrids are still in the "novelty" stage. They suck on horsepower for the average American, the mileage isn't all that great and repairs can be prohibitively expensive not to mention that they don't go very far per charge. The only one of the three that even has half a chance is the Ford transit but even that's shakey at best.

  40. Tomita The Perverted

    Tomita The Perverted

    Päivä sitten

    Someone: what would you want from every mail truck design in the future? Me: .... *S L I D I N G D O O R S*

  41. Kj Verhage

    Kj Verhage

    Päivä sitten

    I also think it would be cool when they finally do phase-out the Grumman llv, if they go on sale for the General Public. I would love to replace the Iron Duke 4 cylinder with a high output 4.3 L Vortec V6 out of the S10 Xtreme it would give it more power but it wouldn't be stupid crazy fast plus, it would look like it actually belongs in there.

  42. Kj Verhage

    Kj Verhage

    Päivä sitten

    In some markets the USPS as actually phased out the Grumman llvs for, Mercedes Metris right-hand-drive hand drive vans. My sister just turned down the opportunity to have one on her mail route, it would cost nothing but she would lose her gas money they pay her I believe it was that she got. So she went and bought another Honda Element, that's what she uses on her rural mail route.

  43. Hazzalofta


    Päivä sitten

    Get some postie bikes you wusses

  44. Fig Bat

    Fig Bat

    Päivä sitten

    Awesome video i love my cousin Nolan.this is probably the only vehicle on a mail truck

  45. George Riggs

    George Riggs

    Päivä sitten

    God, why am I watching this? So much misinformation.

  46. Tipical Gamer 42

    Tipical Gamer 42

    Päivä sitten

    Where I am, we actually have at least one ford transit van in service for the postal service

  47. Dario Impini

    Dario Impini

    Päivä sitten

    Ima estimate that the postal service carries like 95% junk mail. You'd think that spending 9 miles per gallon to have millions of trees cut down, printed as junk mail, shipped by these trucks, and then immediately thrown away would wrankle environmentalists. But not a peep. I've literally gone to the post office to tell them to stop delivering ALL mail to my address. I don't want ANY of it. EVER. As literally 99% of it is junk mail. They said they couldn't do that. Evidently it's their job to give me things that I have to throw away.

  48. KidWithAnMP5


    Päivä sitten

    My city has been using Ford Transits for at least 5 years now

  49. Garrett Powell

    Garrett Powell

    Päivä sitten

    The iron duke was never in the Fiero GT. The GT was strictly the 2.8l V6

  50. Stefan Frankel

    Stefan Frankel

    Päivä sitten

    Have you listened to those idiots drive? Hrrmmm, urnnt, hrrmmm, uurnt, hrrmmm, urnnt, hrrrmmm, urntt! It's no wonder they don't _all_ catch on fire.

  51. Red Bull

    Red Bull

    Päivä sitten

    4 wheel drive and non electric would be good up here in the north.

  52. WHO9119


    Päivä sitten

    If i had to deliver mail in a Kia Soul I would go postal, I can barely fit all my packages now if ihad a choice it would be the workhorse or the 1st one, Ford is way to small.

  53. Ted Usernameunknown

    Ted Usernameunknown

    2 päivää sitten

    I still miss the DJ5! Seriously though, The fire thing is ridiculous. Put a guard on the electrics, upgrade and PM the tank or move it. The Government is probably still " Studying" This problem. I wouldn't be surprised if the new PC regime buys EV's. It ought to be an entertaining waste of money if nothing else.

  54. Phattdawgg


    2 päivää sitten

    Based on recent changes in the government I would expect to see the Ford E-Transit get the bid.

  55. Krummy Brinkle Jr.

    Krummy Brinkle Jr.

    2 päivää sitten

    USPS has decommissioned quite a few LLVs, trading them for Mercedes Metris vans. Even put their logo where the Mercedes logo would normally be.

  56. yoo jastle

    yoo jastle

    2 päivää sitten

    They don't have AC because carriers need to put mail in mailboxes erected on the curbline so they have to drive with the window down.

  57. Josh


    2 päivää sitten

    Beginning of this video: "Why don't we have a new one yet?" Actual mailman: Because fucking politics. Also we are the essence of bureaucracy.

  58. Tadgh Downey

    Tadgh Downey

    2 päivää sitten

    Ford Transit Connect with a sliding door and AWD would be what I'd put forward but that is an external opinion

  59. ncktbs


    2 päivää sitten

    never seen one in person in Nebraska im sure there are like 5 in the state but ive never seen one all the mail is delivered in the postal carriers personal vehicle

  60. Tolohtony


    2 päivää sitten

    I've been a mechanic (technician now) in a Postal Vehicle Maintenance Facility since 02/1989. My mom said if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. I will say that there are some mistakes made in this video. They keep conflating pictures of LLV's with FFV's. LLV's are the vehicles that are more prone to catch on fire. Mostly due the fuel leaks, (cheap hoses on fuel line replacement parts) oil leaks and bad electrical connections at switches. Edit: It has actually been an excellent vehicle. Very easy to work on and pretty reliable for what it's put through.

  61. Tolohtony


    2 päivää sitten

    I've been a mechanic (technician now) in a Postal Vehicle Maintenance Facility since 02/1989. My mom said if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. I will say that there are some mistakes made in this video. They keep conflating pictures of LLV's with FFV's. LLV's are the vehicles that are more prone to catch on fire. Mostly due the fuel leaks, (cheap hoses on fuel line replacement parts) oil leaks and bad electrical connections at switches.

  62. master of reviews #1

    master of reviews #1

    2 päivää sitten

    Whenever I hear a obnoxious sound almost like a 2001 Hyundai Elantra with no mufflers on it I know it’s the mail truck 😂😂

  63. noahjo8


    2 päivää sitten

    Seems like they’re starting to use Ford Transits in my city now

  64. harrisoncoleman621


    2 päivää sitten

    407 fires of 123k....??? Since 2013?? Not bad to me.

  65. bosshoss69lee


    2 päivää sitten

    it would be nice if the government would spend 6billion tax dollars on an American product, made in America, by Americans, not some abortion to be made in mexico partly by ford... honestly USPS needs to figure out how to MAKE MONEY, before they look for new trucks to deliver amazon packages below what it actually costs to deliver them, they also helped scm Trump out of his second term so usps can rot in hell regardless

  66. Adam W

    Adam W

    2 päivää sitten

    Got the thumbs down because Donutmedia does not know what engine came in a fiero GT! and then there was the dumb a$$ comercial that dragged out for omaze.

  67. P77777777


    2 päivää sitten

    Should have built them with 300 inline 6es like UPS did.

  68. Frank Covington

    Frank Covington

    2 päivää sitten

    As a postal worker, my personal hope is for the electric truck. Two big reasons: A: I am sick and fucking tired of driving a truck that is literally so slow it's dangerous(I am convinced the LLV's can't reach 60mph). B: we literally drive MAYBE 20 miles per day total. I don't think a battery mileage of 300 miles is gonna be a problem for us. Oh, and then there's the fact that stopping and starting a gas engine is horrible for its lifespan. Electric motors literally do that as their primary function.

  69. Liberty


    2 päivää sitten

    Im suprised they didnt put a 4bt cummins engine in them for the govt program thingy .gas to diesel swap they did with other vehicles

  70. Wolf Seisenbacher

    Wolf Seisenbacher

    2 päivää sitten

    This may have been said already, but a correction: the Iron Duke was uses in the Fiero only in the 2M4, and the Indy Pace Car variants. all GTs used the 2.8L V6.

  71. David Henderson

    David Henderson

    2 päivää sitten

    Around here there is 2 new mail Jeeps. I think they are private owed. They are right hand drive Jeep Wrangler. I know one of them has the back seats removed for more cargo. Both may have the back seats out. I have only got a close look at one of them. It is owned by a woman that had it special ordered. The other one I seen is driven by some man in the next town over.

  72. Jed-Henry Witkowski

    Jed-Henry Witkowski

    2 päivää sitten

    Decommissioned in 84? Hardly. Several Arizona cities were using them until 92.

  73. Jed-Henry Witkowski

    Jed-Henry Witkowski

    2 päivää sitten

    Built by AM Generall. A defense contractor.

  74. Joe Rogers

    Joe Rogers

    2 päivää sitten

    I am surprised that they did not just replace the engine with one more fuel efficient. Bodies were aluminum and should last almost forever.

  75. sol star

    sol star

    3 päivää sitten

    Will the mileage range change from 9 mpg ?

  76. Bruce Snyder

    Bruce Snyder

    3 päivää sitten

    Thank you for properly pronouncing, "WILLISS", not 'Willy's'!

  77. Lisa B

    Lisa B

    3 päivää sitten

    poor job

  78. Jim Bennett

    Jim Bennett

    3 päivää sitten

    It's a Chevy S10 with a Grumman box bolted to the frame..

  79. Scott Magoch

    Scott Magoch

    3 päivää sitten

    Was a push rod engine not overhead cam

  80. Lewd Wav3z

    Lewd Wav3z

    3 päivää sitten

    Ik there where other postal vehicles used like the subaru legacy

  81. K Dill

    K Dill

    3 päivää sitten

    Post office sucks. Worked for them, terrible job. Quit faster than it took to get in....benfits??? After having to sit behind people , prob for 10 years working up the ladder for 30yrs to deal with bureaucracy and b.s. nahhh I'm good, it ain't all about money.

  82. chance bonneau

    chance bonneau

    3 päivää sitten

    i wanna sub. but those skits are absoutley unbareable

  83. The Batman

    The Batman

    3 päivää sitten

    Is the Ford Transit a hybrid vehicle or fully electric vehicle?

  84. NEvids


    3 päivää sitten

    I love the whole plot of this vehicle, would make a good beater-drift build. If it would still work and run.

  85. Enok Reinli

    Enok Reinli

    3 päivää sitten

    Your wrong it's going to be the Mercedes Benz.

  86. M F

    M F

    3 päivää sitten

    I drove those for 3 a months before I quit that job, they turn really good! Noisy, and the metal walls look so thin, it was fun to drive for a jalopy

  87. David Jones

    David Jones

    3 päivää sitten

    Why would you bet the farm on one massive procurement contract like this, to buy a vehicle that will likely be obsolete in five years? Pretty much every other mail service in the world replaces perhaps 10% of its fleet annually by competitive tender, generally using slightly modified versions of standard mass-produced vans that can be maintained anywhere. That way you have vehicles incorporating the latest available technology, lower unit costs and lower running costs, and if you get a bad batch, you don't go back to that manufacturer.

  88. shanhoff hoffman

    shanhoff hoffman

    3 päivää sitten

    So the government let over 400 of these things burn when all they had to do was replace, redesign, or maintain a washer fluid reservoir?

  89. Timothy Kidd

    Timothy Kidd

    3 päivää sitten

    Need to check your facks you haven't got it right. The first LLV was built in 1987 not 85 the rest of your store is full of bunk. First LLV was built in 1987 to 1994 in the USA

  90. Dr Banana

    Dr Banana

    3 päivää sitten

    Nolan is seriously like my favorite person

  91. Nick Kennedy

    Nick Kennedy

    3 päivää sitten

    Dude...I agree with the thesis of this video, but a lot of what you are saying here is inconsistent or untrue. First, you said the LLV was introduced in 1985, then 1986. The vehicle entered regular service in 1987--that's easy to tell. You can tell the build year of any USPS vehicle by looking at the first digit of the vehicle number, and you will never find an LLV with a number that starts with 5 or 6 because they quit making them in 1994. Also, you are talking about the LLV while also showing pictures and video of the FFV, which while it looks similar, is a completely different vehicle based on Ford running gear, and was built in 2000. The mail truck you showed on fire at about 8:22 was one of the newer FFVs, not an LLV. Please--be more careful with numbers and figures before publishing videos.

  92. njaneardude


    3 päivää sitten

    Instead of privatizing prisons, the government should privatize the USPS.

  93. Ryan Lancaster

    Ryan Lancaster

    3 päivää sitten

    k-swap the old ones, boom.

  94. Carl Hursh

    Carl Hursh

    3 päivää sitten

    I worked at the USPS for 17 years, and never heard of an engine fire.

  95. Robert Darnell

    Robert Darnell

    3 päivää sitten

    He said Willis not willys

  96. jongankul


    3 päivää sitten

    The Iron Duke was not in the Fiero GT.

  97. The Wandering Heep

    The Wandering Heep

    3 päivää sitten

    As someone who works on these, (and as a car enthusiast/fabricator/racer of 30+years) I'll just say that I feel the LLV is one of the greatest vehicles ever made. Don't get me wrong, it does have some significant issues. But you are WAY off base in your video. I read through the comments, and there are plenty of them pointing out how inaccurate your video is. But I'll point out that the truck you show on fire is not even an LLV! It's a Ford Explorer based FFV,(Flex Fuel Vehicle) built in 2000-2001, with a 4.0L V6! (the one you're showing at 5:36 is also an FFV) And the engine ECM in an LLV is not located under the washer bottle. It's inside the driver cabin, inside the dashboard. I have no authority to state why they've been catching on fire, but I've read the results of investigations. It's not a design flaw of the Iron Duke, and it's absolutely not washer fluid shorting out an ECM.

  98. captainexcabier


    3 päivää sitten

    Considering LLVs are almost always used in urban environments where range isn't much of an issue, and all the vehicles could theoretically be parked and plugged in overnight to charge, purely electric trucks make a lot of sense as a successor to the LLV.



    3 päivää sitten

    Thank you for the subtitle on "poop in a group," had to make sure i heard that right

  100. Trevor


    3 päivää sitten

    Grumman makes Fire trucks as well